Oi ponto 9mm opções de ações de carabina

Qual é a melhor carabina de 9 mm? Nós temos um olhar em 5 grandes opções.

Qual é a melhor carabina de 9mm aqui? Vamos ver primeiro por que alguém iria querer uma carabina de 9mm em primeiro lugar.

As principais vantagens de uma carabina em um calibre de pistola sobre uma arma de mão incluem o aumento do raio de visão, que ajuda a fotografar com precisão; o cano longo capta de forma mais eficiente a queima de pó que aumenta a velocidade do projétil; e mais pontos de contato entre o atirador e a arma que aumentam a estabilidade.

Então, qual é a melhor carabina de 9mm? Vamos olhar para 5 opções abaixo.

Kel-Tec SUB-2000.

Com um MSRP de US $ 500, o Kel-Tec Sub 2000 é uma alternativa barata para AR-15 e rifles "táticos" mais caros para alguém com orçamento limitado. A SUB-2000 é trazida para nós pelo pessoal da Kel-Tec (que tem sede na Flórida, EUA). Ele foi projetado por George Kellgren, um designer sueco-americano que também projetou várias armas de fogo da marca Husqvarna (na Suécia), Intratec e Grendel.

O rifle é uma arma de fogo semiautomática acionada por blowback com sua mola operacional localizada no estoque tubular. Alimenta-se de uma revista bem localizada usando revistas projetadas para várias pistolas e é uma carabina barata. Ele vem em uma luz muito 4 lbs, o que ajuda no manuseio fácil.

Algo que gostamos no Sub-2000 é que ele se dobra ao meio para fácil armazenamento e transporte, e é muito fino. Então, no geral ocupa pouco espaço (a arma não pode ser disparada quando dobrada).

Você pode obter o Sub-2000 em ambos os calibres 9mm ou .40 S & W, no entanto, se você decidir obter um Sub-2000, provavelmente terá dificuldade em encontrar um. Isso é simplesmente porque há tal demanda para esta arma, enquanto Kel-Tec não está produzindo o suficiente das armas para satisfazer a demanda.

A versão Gen 2 do Sub-2000 tem algumas melhorias que incluem:

Estoque ajustável Novos pontos de fixação do sling Apertos de pistola aprimorados para melhor ergonomia.

O que os outros têm a dizer: & # 8220; O polímero enquadrado SUB 2000 é divertido, funcional e disponível a um preço muito razoável. O que mais você quer de uma carabina dobrável de calibre de pistola? & # 8221; & # 8211; B. Gil Horman em AmericanRifleMan.

CMMG Mk9 T.

Se você adora a aparência de um AR, mas não quer comprar um rifle 5.56 e munição para tiro ao alvo e tiro defensivo, então o Mk9-T é uma excelente opção a ser considerada. O design do flattop está pronto para montagem óptica, e este rifle está praticamente implorando para ser emparelhado com uma visão de ponto vermelho de alta qualidade. Com 6,3 libras, é fácil de transportar e o recuo é nulo. O MK-9 T usa um cano de perfil M-4 de dezesseis polegadas, feito de aço 4140. O handguard é sua unidade de alumínio de flutuação livre RKM11 KeyMod (KeyMod foi projetado para substituir o sistema de trilhos Picatinny tradicional. KeyMod emprega um sistema tipo buraco de fechadura na superfície de montagem (como um trilho) pelo qual acessórios como luzes e lasers podem ser montados sem o uso de ferramentas, se tiverem uma porca KeyMod projetada para encaixar nesses “buracos de fechadura”, o benefício é a redução de peso e melhor ergonomia. Sendo de operação de blowback, não há sistema de gás, mas o MK-9 T usa a mola no tubo de estoque para retornar o parafuso para a bateria, assim como o impacto direto ou o pistão de gás AR.

Com um MSRP de mais de US $ 1000, esta é uma arma cara embora. E diferente do Sub-2000, este rifle não aceita um número variado de revistas e também não dobra ao meio. No geral, também é um pouco mais pesado e maior que o Sub-2000.

Se você está procurando confiabilidade, precisão e uma arma que é feita nos EUA, o MK-9 T é uma excelente opção como a melhor carabina de 9mm para suas necessidades.

O que os outros têm a dizer: & # 8220; A avaliação do Mk9 mostrou que ele era preciso, confiável e bem feito. & # 8221; & # 8211; James Reeves no TheFireArmBlog.

Rock River Braços LAR-9 CAR A4.

Os Rock River Arms são geralmente conhecidos por fabricar pistolas 1911 personalizadas, mas agora também estão no mercado de fuzis com sua oferta LAR-9. O modelo A4 tem um cano de 16 polegadas, o material dianteiro e dobrável em estilo M4, a vista frontal fixa, o capacete A2 de flash e o punho de borracha da pistola.

Com um MSRP de mais de US $ 1.000, também é mais caro do que o Sub-2000. Com um peso de 7,1 libras e um comprimento de 36 polegadas, é uma vez dos fuzis maiores na nossa lista.

Se você quer um rifle para fins de treinamento tático, esta é possivelmente a melhor carabina de 9mm para suas necessidades.

O que os outros têm a dizer: & # 8220; é um sistema de armas de qualidade capaz de fornecer fogo preciso e de combate em câmaras que são mais econômicas. & # 8221; Kevin Davis em vida tática.

Carabina Hi-Point 995

Se você não é um atirador experiente e quer algo para fins de defesa em casa ou apenas plinking, então o 995 é possivelmente a melhor carabina de 9mm para você.

A carabina Hi-Point é uma série de carabinas com compartimentos para 9 × 19mm Parabellum, 0,40 S e W e 0,45 ACP. Uma variante ACP.380 também foi introduzida. Eles são muito baratos, construídos usando polímeros e ligas de metais, tanto quanto possível, resultando em uma redução dos custos de produção e preço de venda.

Com um peso de 5,75 libras e um comprimento de 32,5 polegadas, não é o menor rifle na nossa lista, mas também não é o maior rifle.

O principal ponto de venda para esta arma é o seu preço, com um MSRP a partir de $ 300, esta é uma arma muito acessível. Também gostamos muito do fato de que a Hi-Point oferece uma garantia vitalícia em suas armas & # 8211; se você é o primeiro ou até mesmo terceiro dono da arma, eles oferecem reparos gratuitos para a arma.

Não é a carabina mais bonita de sempre e não tem características extravagantes como alguns dos outros rifles, mas para atiradores novos e casuais que só querem algo para defesa em casa ou plinking, você realmente não muito mais de qualquer maneira.

Beretta Cx4 Storm.

Esta carabina é destinada aos mercados esportivo, de defesa pessoal e de aplicação da lei. O Cx4 Storm foi desenvolvido para ser usado em conjunto com pistolas semi-automáticas Beretta. Por exemplo, as revistas da Beretta 92FS em compartimentos de 9 mm podem ser usadas no Cx4.

O CX4 Storm inclui um trilho Picatinny que pode ser estendido sob o cano, pressionando o botão sling e puxando o trilho para fora por uma aba do polegar. Cada tempestade também inclui um trilho lateral com dois parafusos de montagem, um segundo pode ser comprado junto com um trilho inferior do fabricante. O trilho inferior contornado é projetado para se fixar sob os dois trilhos laterais. O Cx4 vem da fábrica com mira de ferro ajustável. O estoque no Cx4 tem um comprimento ajustável de puxar. O ajuste é feito pelo uso de espaçadores de estoque. Além de poder personalizar o Cx4 com acessórios, também é capaz de trocar a segurança, a alavanca de armar, a porta de ejeção e a liberação da revista para o lado esquerdo da arma para acomodar atiradores canhotos.

É de um tamanho similar ao Hi-Point, mas com um MSRP de pouco menos de $ 1000 é muito mais caro. No entanto, para o dinheiro extra você ganha uma arma muito mais avançada com tecnologias e recursos modernos (e, claro, parece muito legal!).

O que os outros têm a dizer: & # 8220; Eu acho que a Beretta oferece uma carabina de patrulha profissional, aposta-a-sua-vida-nela por um preço muito competitivo. & # 8221; & # 8211; Joe Grine em TheTruthAboutGuns.

O que você acha? # 8211; Qual é a melhor carabina de 9 mm?

Para fazer uma lista das melhores opções de carabina de 9mm, é quase impossível, pois existem diferentes rifles para diferentes propósitos. Sem mencionar que todos têm suas próprias preferências quando se trata de rifles dessa natureza. Mas se você acha que há uma carabina de 9mm específica que fica acima das opções que mencionamos acima, por favor, conte-nos compartilhando seus comentários na seção de comentários abaixo.

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10 melhores carabinas de 9 mm.

Uma carabina de 9mm ocupa um ponto interessante entre uma pistola e um rifle. Eles carregam mais potência e fogo com mais precisão do que a pistola média, mas ainda são menores e mais fáceis de carregar do que um rifle completo. Pode ser difícil para os engenheiros atingirem o equilíbrio certo, portanto a qualidade varia significativamente entre os modelos. Nós passamos pelas opções para encontrar a melhor carabina de 9mm. Nossas classificações priorizam armas que atingem um equilíbrio entre precisão, potência e portabilidade a um preço razoável.

10. Kel-Tec SUB-2000.

9. CMMG Mk9T.

O Mk9T parece e se parece muito com um AR15 em miniatura. Ao contrário da maioria das armas, ele usa um sistema Keymod para acessórios em vez de trilhos picatinny. Os acessórios compatíveis apenas encaixam, o que economiza peso e facilita os ajustes. A desvantagem é que nem todo acessório é compatível, então adicionar brinquedos extras pode exigir algum investimento extra. O estoque entra em colapso, mas ao contrário de outras carabinas, o estoque não se dobra, então não é a arma mais fácil de transportar. Qualquer atirador pode usar isso para um bom efeito, mas é perfeito para aqueles que querem personalizar sua arma sem precisar de habilidades técnicas avançadas.

8. Carabina Hi-Point 995

7. JP Enterprises GMR-13.

Um GMR-13 é uma arma cara, mas a excelente qualidade de construção da arma impede a maioria das avarias. O design da arma é otimizado para aplicação da lei, por isso se concentra em permitir a rápida aquisição de alvos e minimizar o recuo. A arma é compatível com a maioria das revistas Glock, então o atirador médio já terá muitas peças de reposição. Ele também tem uma alavanca de carga secundária no lado esquerdo do receptor superior, para que o atirador possa usá-lo sem mover a mão que está atirando. É preciso prática para se acostumar com isso. Essa necessidade de prática e o custo da arma fazem desta uma boa escolha para pessoas que estão dispostas a treinar extensivamente, mas não para novos atiradores.

6. Careca de GA de defesa de defesa.

A GA Carbine é a melhor carabina de 9mm para uso geral por atiradores intermediários, tanto no alcance quanto no campo. Ele tem um supressor de flash que oferece um pouco mais de discrição no campo e um estoque ajustável para ajudar a obter um bom ajuste para atiradores menores. Como muitas carabinas, são necessárias revistas Glock, portanto é fácil encontrar extras para carregar antecipadamente. Boa construção garante precisão, embora não a ponto de competir com um rifle tradicional a longas distâncias.

5. Marlin Camp Carbine.

A Carbine Camp é uma arma de caça leve. Muitos atiradores o escolhem para o estoque de madeira que contrasta com o estilo tático de outras carabinas, mas a mecânica é tão boa quanto a aparência da arma. É uma arma antiga com mecanismos simples, por isso é bastante fácil de limpar e manter. Esses também ajudam a torná-lo confiável, mas não precisa de limpeza regular para se manter funcional. As pessoas que querem colocar mais trabalho podem personalizá-lo com uma enorme variedade de peças de vários fornecedores. A desvantagem dessa arma é que ela foi descontinuada e só está disponível para uso. Vale a pena comprar um, se você quiser uma arma simples para uso na selva, especialmente se você for um novato.

4. Ruger PC9.

Como o Car Carbine, o PC9 só está disponível no mercado usado. Mecanicamente, destaca-se pela montagem do parafuso, que inclui duas partes separadas para permitir um parafuso pesado sem desequilibrar a pistola. A arma foi projetada para a polícia, por isso funciona com precisão em curtas distâncias, mesmo quando dispara rapidamente, mas a precisão cai em intervalos mais longos. Como a maioria das armas mais antigas, ela não tem espaço para muitos acessórios além do escopo, mas os mecanismos simples tornam-na altamente confiável. Escolha o PC9, se você quer uma carabina para defesa doméstica, ou para uso geral, se você é um especialista que pode usá-lo de forma confiável a longa distância.

3. Carabina CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1.

O Scorpion é destinado a defesa em casa, mas é versátil o suficiente para ser útil no alcance ou no campo também. Como os controles são ambidestros e o gatilho é ajustável, a maioria das pessoas pode usá-lo confortavelmente. As vistas são razoavelmente boas, com visões protegidas em frente e visões traseiras ajustáveis ​​junto com espaço para uma visão de ponto vermelha. O gatilho é mais pesado que a média, mas a maioria dos atiradores deve se acostumar com isso depois de um pouco de exposição. Esta é uma boa opção para atiradores novos e antigos, especialmente esquerdistas que desejam uma arma com boa ergonomia. É uma excelente opção se você está procurando a melhor carabina de 9mm.

2. Beretta Cx4 Storm.

O Storm foi desenvolvido com outras ofertas da Beretta em mente, por isso pode levar as mesmas revistas que muitas de suas pistolas. Beretta também projetou com personalização em mente. Tem um trilho picatinny que pode se estender sob o cano e outro que corre ao longo do lado. O comprimento do material é ajustável, tanto para facilitar o armazenamento quanto para melhorar a ergonomia. A maioria dos componentes também é ambidestro. Todos esses recursos fazem dele um excelente e personalizável cavalo de batalha para atiradores experientes, mas o Storm não tem muito a oferecer aos novatos que eles não podem obter de uma arma mais barata.

1. Fuzil de Sobrevivência Aero.

O Aero Survival Rifle foi projetado para manter os pilotos vivos no deserto após um pouso de emergência. Algumas peças são feitas de alumínio para manter o peso baixo, enquanto outras são feitas de aço para resistência. Todos eles são feitos através de corte ou fresagem a laser para que eles se encaixem perfeitamente em uma arma confiável. Vários outros calibres estão disponíveis, e é fácil de converter entre eles, tornando esta uma das armas mais versáteis que você pode encontrar. É uma das melhores opções de carabina de 9mm para atiradores de todos os níveis de habilidade que querem algo leve, robusto e funcional.

Fazendo a escolha certa.

Escolher a melhor carabina de 9mm depende de tantas variáveis ​​que é impossível obter todas as boas opções em uma única lista. Sinta-se livre para deixar um comentário para ajudar seus colegas atiradores se você tiver alguma experiência com uma carabina que nós não consideramos, ou se você tem algo que você quer adicionar sobre um que nós fizemos. Afinal, não há muita informação quando você está fazendo uma escolha importante. Se você está procurando o mesmo calibre, mas uma arma mais compacta, aqui estão as melhores armas 9mm subcompactas.

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10 melhores pistolas semi-automáticas.

Pistolas semiautomáticas estão entre os componentes mais fundamentais em qualquer coleção de armas de fogo. A melhor pistola semi-automática sempre variará dependendo da situação, mas muitas delas são tão versáteis que podem ser usadas em praticamente qualquer papel. Mesmo assim, existem tantas opções diferentes que pode ser difícil [& hellip;]

10 melhores espingardas semi-automáticas.

A melhor espingarda semi automática pode não ser tão confiável quanto uma espingarda de ação deslizante (bomba), mas é segura o suficiente para servir um proprietário que precisa defender sua família e sua propriedade. Além disso, pode ser uma excelente opção para uma pessoa de esportes que precisa caçar ou apenas atirar em alvos. Estes [& hellip;]

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O High Tower Armory é conhecido por fabricar kits de stock bullpup para o 10-22. Eles fazem um kit de estilo P90 para cair em uma ação de 10 a 22 barris e transformá-lo em um bullpup.

Bem, agora eles estão trabalhando em um kit bullpup para o HiPoint Carbine. O terceiro kit de ações é chamado de MBS 95. Não é exatamente um nome que sai da língua e não é exatamente chamativo, mas isso não diminui o apelo de uma Bullpup HiPoint Carbine.

Como postado antes por Nathan S., o kit bullpup é uma simples queda no design. Ele usará qualquer revista para a Carabina HiPoint. Eles projetaram a magwell para ser mais larga para aceitar magazines de pilha dupla, mas neste momento eles não encontraram nenhuma revista que funcione. Então, enquanto você estará preso usando revistas estendidas de pilha única por agora, eles estão olhando para fazer uma revista de pilha dupla de seu próprio projeto mais tarde abaixo da estrada.

O estoque é embalado com muitos recursos. Possui trilhos picatinny superior e inferior CNC. Eles adicionaram slots MLOK à parte de trás do material para que você possa usar as montagens de sling MLOK QD, além de incluir slots tradicionais nas costas, no meio e na frente do material para usar um sling. O punho da pistola tem um protetor articulado que é removível e vem com tampões para cobrir as lacunas deixadas pela proteção da articulação.

Eles estão planejando tê-los disponíveis no final da primavera ou início do verão e estarão disponíveis em preto, OD Green, Desert Tan e FDE. O preço é esperado para ser em torno de US $ 200 - $ 300. Além disso, este kit de estoque funcionará para qualquer uma das carabinas Hi Point, independentemente do calibre.

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Custa mais do que o rifle quando eu peguei o meu (na verdade eu ganhei, então era grátis, mas na época era como $ 180), diabos é quase tão caro quanto você pode pegar um por enquanto.

Você basicamente dobra o preço da arma, mas parece algo que você não teria vergonha de admitir possuir.

Se eles fizerem isso para usar revistas Glock (ou alguma outra pilha dupla comumente disponível) eu realmente compro um Hi Point e construo um. Como é, ainda é uma carabina de pilha única e há uma tonelada de outras carabinas no mercado que podem custar um pouco mais, mas valem bem as moedas extras.

O tipo de pessoa que compra uma carabina HiPoint, porque isso é tudo o que eles podem pagar, não vai comprar este estoque.

Um pouco mais? Existem apenas dois bullpups 9mm disponíveis no mercado. O JARD que é 900, então & # 8230; Dobrar o custo e o kit de conversão tavor que é & # 8230; em torno de 2000, que é de 4-5 vezes o custo. Então não um pouco mais, uma montanha mais.

E oi ponto adotou as revistas de bola vermelha (eles disseram às pessoas que as novas carabinas iriam despachar com as revistas de revenda do redball da fábrica no show de tiro), então a capacidade das carabinas na verdade é de 20rds.

Há também carabinas steyr de 9mm também.

E o kel Tec sub 2000.

E todas as opções de ar.

Há aquelas coisas de rifle glock que parecem um pouco funky.

Touro ainda pode ter o ct9 lá fora.

Honestamente eu provavelmente poderia continuar se eu pensasse um pouco mais. Não tenho certeza de onde essa pessoa teve a idéia de que há apenas 2 carabinas de 9mm.

Bullpups Ele disse que há apenas dois bullpups, não carabinas.

Uau & # 8230; Eu preciso dormir mais & # 8230;

Oi ponto não é um bullpup também.

Há apenas um rifle de calibre de pistola que vem da fábrica como um bullpup.

Nós estamos falando sobre o estoque bullpup Hi Point com o High Tower Armory & # 8230; que é o ponto de todo este artigo e discussão.

E há pelo menos 3 rifles de 9mm que vêm da fábrica como um bullpup.

o JARD J67, o IWI Tavor e o Steyr AUG.

Considerando que você não pode obter um estoque de alta torre & # 8230;

O fato é que, se você quiser um PCC bullpup, um ponto hi ainda está no mesmo nível de um sub2k. Ou um ar de 9mm.

Não sabia sobre as revistas Redball & # 8230; Eu me pergunto o quão bem eles funcionam (eles parecem estranhos, mas se parece estúpido, mas funciona, não é estúpido.

Vídeos parecem promissores. Desejo que eles fizeram um 15-rounder & # 8230;

Se você assistisse ao vídeo, eles explicariam por quê. O receptor não é compatível com as pilhas duplas existentes, como o Yugo AK sporter que só aceita singles. Eles têm duas opções: 1) dar instruções sobre como fresar o receptor (anular essa garantia adorável), ou 2) projetar uma pilha dupla que atinja uma pilha única no receptor. Estou apostando na opção 2.

Sim, como uma revista HK P7 M10 ou M13. Eu poderia jurar que havia um subgrupo mais antigo que também usava uma revista de duas pilhas de gola para baixo.

A barra de trigger é o que impede o hipoint de fazer o double stack mag.

Ah, é? Bem, isso é apenas implorar por uma solução de pós-venda & # 8230;

Eu estava errado. Você não está recebendo uma revista de pilha dupla lá.

Sim, eu vou dizer não, lol.

Bem, eles pelo menos não anularam sua garantia para as revistas Red Ball. Eu gostaria que a empresa fizesse um 15-rounder & # 8230;

Alguém costumava fornecer um serviço onde eles iriam fresá-los para as revistas da Glock e preparar a captura para funcionar também. Eles também fizeram as armas do Ruger PC.

Mesmo a US $ 400 (2 notas para o Hipoint, 2 para o estoque) é ainda melhor valor do que a concorrência. Sub2Ks teoricamente custam US $ 300, mas o valor real de mercado é MSRP duplo quando você pode encontrá-lo. Touro já interrompeu a linha de TC, provavelmente porque era o mesmo rifle que um Hipoint com o dobro do custo. De lá, você só sobe de preço. Um berretta CX4 custará cerca de US $ 700 (preço dos buds) e uma conversão MechTec um pouco mais, dependendo de quanto você comprou sua pistola base.

Ah, e nenhum destes são bullpups.

Eu paguei $ 100 pela minha carabina Hi point.

Eu comprei usado, mas ainda assim.

Agora vá jogar essa coisa em uma peça de boneca com oásis de árvore holmes de plástico. Reall suave & # 8230;

MSRP estimado = / = valor de rua.

Além disso, o estoque de PS90 para o 10/22 é praticamente a mesma coisa, exceto que eu desperdiço tempo em qualquer coisa.

Assim? É melhor gastar 300 em uma arma de 1000 dólares?

Eu sim. Muito de. É como colocar folha de ouro 24kt em um yugo. Mas ei, para cada um o seu próprio & # 8230; e eu ainda posso rir em você! Assim como os peeps podem rir do que eu faço. Está tudo bem.

São baratinhos como você, que colocam uma ótica ruim em uma arma, porque a arma não era cara, então eles começaram a reclamar sobre a arma sendo ruim.

Eu não tenho respeito pela sua laia.

?? Estou tão confuso! Eu não teria sequer uma ótica de baixa qualidade. Seu louco.

Então, o que mais faz melhor do que um PS90 & # 8230 ;?

Que tal apenas fazer em 9mm?

Porque então não é um PS90.

Sério, provavelmente seria preciso muito trabalho para fazer a revista de 90 graus funcionar de maneira confiável em 9mm.

Além disso, as rodadas são mais gordas, então a capacidade seria menor.

Eles vão vender uma tonelada dessas coisas.

Eu conheço vários caras que compraram o Hi-Point de volta quando, por dinheiro pequeno, como primeira arma, eles aprenderam mais sobre armas e ganharam mais dinheiro, e o Hi-Point foi colocado para comprar brinquedos melhores.

Agora eles viram isso saindo e eles estão olhando para finalmente ser capaz de fazer algo com uma arma que eles estão sentados há anos.

O LOP parece medido em milhas.

Você tem certeza disso. Ele precisa de um estoque ajustável, como aquele bullpup de gatilho eletrônico que usa 10/22 revistas.

O conceito lop é completamente diferente em um bullpup. Eu sempre me encontro comparando-a a uma pistola com um estoque de ombro.

por que para um ponto alto, por que não algo com revistas de maior capitalização?

Gosta do que lol, um MP5? Ninguém jamais faria isso. Sig MPX ou CZ Scorpion? Qual é o ponto quando eles têm uma versão de pistola.

Você pode polir um bosta, mas & # 8230;

Então, o que é com todo o amor Hi Point ultimamente TFB? Está começando a parecer o Hi Point-ageddon aqui.

Não se preocupe, todos nós voltaremos a tópicos divertidos como balística externa no sabor de todas as coisas de 6.5mm, gatilhos drop-in, e as mais recentes inovações de trilhos e supressores aparentemente moídos de notas de banco laminadas.

Quando outras marcas engasgam e param, os Hi-Points continuam se movimentando. É o Toyota Hilux de armas de fogo.

Os fatos que eles são os mais acessíveis, e têm a melhor garantia absoluta lá fora, são muito, muito bons extras para ir junto com a sua confiabilidade.

Se isso é realmente o caso, então por que nenhuma agência, governo ou setor privado as utiliza? Quero dizer, se houver uma arma de fogo tão superior e confiável com essa economia de custos. Olha, eu não sei e não nego que eles são uma ótima opção para pessoas que simplesmente não têm dinheiro para algo melhor. Ou pessoas que só querem algo que funcione quando precisarem de uma arma e não se interessarem em gastar o dinheiro. Mas tentar colocar um ponto alto na confiabilidade acima dos gostos de Glock, H & K, Sig, FN, S & W, etc., é simplesmente bobo. Minha principal coisa é o público-alvo que está comprando um oi point. Pelo preço que você vai gastar com o estoque e o Hi-Point, basta comprar algo melhor para começar. Mas eu meio que entendo se eu equiparar um kit de corpo da Ferrari em um Fiero. Nesse aspecto, claro. O carro vai começar, o carro vai, o carro vai parar. Deve ser confiável como qualquer carro. Ele vai te levar do ponto A ao ponto B e parecer legal também. Mas vamos ser honestos, você não vai conseguir o desempenho de uma Ferrari porque você fez um Fiero parecer um.

Além disso, o meu primeiro post foi apenas uma brincadeira de qualquer maneira e apenas a minha opinião.

Porque a maioria das agências não está interessada em carabinas de calibre de pistola em geral nos dias de hoje. Eles querem ARs, ou se eles quiserem 9mm, ele será totalmente automático.

Analogia do carro errado. Não é uma utilidade ilimitada do Fiero e a confiabilidade do carro americano - é um Toyota. Quando a sua Ferrari pára o seu próprio motor para protegê-lo da poeira da estrada de terra, a Toyota irá simplesmente ignorá-lo enquanto ele dirige para a propriedade com uma carga de madeira na carroceria do caminhão.

Você me pegou! Estou saindo para me pegar hoje! Heck, eu vou pegar também! Jogue fora todas as minhas outras porcarias! Oi ponto! Oi ponto! Wo ho! Ri muito.

Você deixa a analogia do meu carro sozinha. O meu. Você não pode usá-lo! é meu letrador Jean-ee-yus!

Deixe isso ser uma lição para você. Agora, adeus, meu planeta precisa de mim.

Você não vai conseguir o desempenho de uma Ferrari, mesmo de uma Ferrari, porque você ainda está dirigindo a 55 mph, e você ainda não é Michael Schumacher. Então, por que se preocupar com a Ferrari?

Porque. & # 8216; MERICA! É por isso.

O governo é quase tanto na aparência quanto na competência. Agentes do governo que carregam um Ponto Alto ao redor tornariam o menos perspicaz para assumir que o governo é feio e de baixo poder, ressentimento fermentador e início de uma guerra civil que destruirá os EUA, essa guerra sem dúvida se tornaria conhecida. como o ponto alto da guerra civil.

& # 8211; mas a principal razão séria é o peso, a capacidade de ocultação, a capacidade da revista, o slide requer muita força para rack, todos estes são problemas sérios com o Highpoint para ampla nomeação por mulheres pequenas. (cada vez mais fazendo parte do aparato civil e de segurança do estado)

TODOS. QUATRO. CALIBRES

Minha mãe & # 8217; Heróis.

Você sabe quem realmente ferrou o cão em carabinas de calibre de pistola?

Chiappa (também conhecida como Citadel).

Eles fazem uma carabina de aparência decente parecida com a M1 (eu não vou tão longe a ponto de chamá-la de reprodução) em 9mm Parabellum, por dinheiro razoável. Parece ótimo no papel.

Infelizmente, é um pedaço de lixo pouco confiável e mal-feito:

As pessoas chegaram até a consertar as piores falhas & amp; trocar de peças, & amp; enviando a Chiappa uma lista de tudo o que precisa ser feito para torná-la segura & amp; confiável, mas aparentemente as unidades de produção atuais (pelo menos a cerca de um ano atrás, quando eu finalmente dei um lance sobre isso) ainda são lixo.

Boo, isso é uma vergonha. Parece uma ótima ideia, se feita corretamente.

Sim, eu tenho puxado meu cabelo por cima disso também. Eu realmente quero uma carabina de 9mm que tenha um estoque clássico, e basicamente se parece com o Ruger PC9 ou o Marlin Camp 9. Isso deveria ser apenas isso, mas & # 8230; : /

Alguns cem dólares ótica, em algumas centenas de ações do dólar .. Em uma arma de cem dólares .. Yyyyeep .. Isto é o que a inovação de armas de fogo chegou a ..

Veja o que as pessoas fazem com Mosins agora.

You mean like this.

Edit: NO, it’s not mine..

Just because you can do a thing, doesn’t mean you should.

to think someone actually paid a tax stamp on that hideous disaster.

Ou não. Bubba ain’t got time fo dat.

Looking at the wonderful quality engineering.. It’s probably a backyard contraption, and they probably didn’t..

Expensive optic on cheap gun is much better than the opposite.

Listen to the man!

No, they’re a company that targets the market that wants high-price looks at low-price costs. They’re a company that shows the world that you can, in fact, have nice things.

I’m sure some movie armorer will make great props for extras in a sci-fi movie out of these.

This is the gun equivalent of putting a Ferrari body kit on a Pontiac Fiero.

That being said, if I have a few hundred dollarydoos burning a hole in my pocket I might get one.

& # 8230; I’d say Lotus Seven body filled with Ford Pinto guts, since it may handle better and since maligned tho they be, the donor machine ain’t that bad.

Say what you want about Hi-Point carbines being cheap or ugly (they are) but I’ve never met somebody who didn’t like actually shooting them. If this chassis is worth a damn and has any decent mags, I’d get one just to make the bullpup and cure my Pistol Caliber Carbine itch.

Agreed, unlike the pistols the rifles have always been highly rated, just uglier than a 10 cent hooker. This bullpup conversion will make them great, especially in a .45. I hope they make a glock or grease gun mag conversion for .45 and Uzi mags for 9mm.

Well, I always wanted a bullpup. I signed up for the newsletter to reserve my place on the waiting list & set aside some of my tax return for it!

This looks better than the original.

The way the front tapers looks a little like the ST Kinetics BMCR.

What is the hottest round the .45 caliber Hi-Point carbine can handle? +P? .45 Super? That might make for an interesting combo with this bullpup stock.

If I already owned a Hi-Point carbine, I certainly would give this bullpup kit a chance. Reducing the overall length, and the change of center of gravity seems very useful to me.

They (Iraqveteran8888) also converted the .40 to 10mm auto.

No kidding? Post link please!

Impressionante! I can’t wait to shoot 8 9mms and then shove another single stack into my armpit.

…shove single stacks into your armpit-

Maaan, that’s one kinky fetish you got there!

How about the housing covering more of the barrel since the long thin barrel kind of diminishes the look. I do believe the demand for double stack is out their so hopefully they make them available.

Those Polish RAK kits have a double stack that tapers to a single feed, but they are 9mm MAK and straight. I think getting the Korean Glock mags to fit is going to be way to go.

Almost all handguns that use double stack mags taper into a single column.

Is there any chance to make this thing work with 1911 single stack mags since double stack isn’t in the foreseeable future. You have a lot more mag coices than what we get from Highpoint right now.

Recently quit my job and have a 995 with original and ATI stock, four mags, and less than 100 rounds through it.

Tempted to list on ARMSLIST or something. Never sold a gun online, but hey, I rarely shoot it and my 5″ Charter Arms 9mm 6rd Pitbull. (They’re impossible to find now!)

I got great slogan for Highpoint.

Highpoint – Too American.

Curious thought: which is worse, a f*ck-you tax or the NFA tax?

Gun Review: Hi-Point 4595TS Pro Carbine.

(This is a reader gun review contest entry, click here for more details – enter by December 26th!)

By Aaron Watson.

I have a nasty habit. Well, quite a few, the truth be told, but one that pertains to firearms seems applicable here on TTAG. You see, I like matching pistols with rifles. M&P 15-22, and Smith & Wesson 22A. Henry lever gun in .22 Mag, Heritage SAA in the same loading. I even made a black powder .50 rifle kit build, and was driven to create a bitchin’ little cap lock pistol to match. So you can probably foresee my dilemma when I was blessed enough to pick out a Remington R1, series 80 M1911 a few years back. I had openly lusted to buy a Thompson “Tommy” gun for the carbine match, the all black military Commando style, but the starting prices are way out of my ballpark. Or, wife-allotted budget, as it were . . .

So, one day I am browsing the LGS on the other end of town, and hefted one of the stout, solid beasts by some folks out of Ohio. Beemiller is the owner of the High Point brand, which I had barely heard of, except as makers of some arguably hideous looking pistols. I have since learned that the early carbines took a few lashes from the ugly stick as well, but these “later” ones had a certain appeal.

But this shop had an array of these carbines in 9mm, .40 cal, and the matching caliber to the R1, .45 ACP. This posed a bit of a psychological dilemma. I had more recently picked up a Ruger P95 at a gun show for a great price, and still had the recent purchase tingle. Maybe it’s not as much a habit as a disease. Brain-based malfunction, don’t ya know?

I opted for the .45, even though my newer pistol had some fresh dies for the old reloading bench, and I’d spawned a few hundred 9mm cartridges over the weekend. Bag the debate, the 1911 had been waiting longer, so with my CPL firmly in hand, the .45-flavored item made its way to the counter, then out the door with me.

That weekend, I took `er out for a little test firing, but wouldn’t you know, the rain started down pretty heavy as I arrived at my favorite BLM shooty spot. I was only able to empty the three mags that came with the purchase before I was thoroughly drenched. All of them emptied in a most satisfying manner, so I tucked it back into the cab of my ol’ Ford pick-me-up, and took it home for a tear down and cleanup.

The very next weekend was much more settled on the weather front, so I went back out with a buddy and his grandson. I also scrounged through my ammo cans and loaded up some old lead rounds from a different shooting friend, who knew who had reloaded them. BIG mistake. Ammunition from a friend of a friend should be torn down and used for their basic components, but I figured a trigger is a much quicker and more efficient way of unloading suspect rounds.

Wouldn’t you know that the last round of the second mag made a slightly less fervent noise than the preceding ones? At least that’s what I was told by my friend standing to my left, later on. It cycled out the last brass, so I popped out the magazine and set it aside to fire one of the other aforementioned firearms.

Upon returning to the HP 4595, I popped in one of my own reloaded magazines with good ol’ 230 grain hard balls, and charged the rascal to make ready for firing. Most of my prior targets were not far beyond the 1911’s range, but this time I reckoned I’d go across the berm to the further hill, 250 yards or so out.

On trigger squeeze, even I noticed the odd noise emitted, and saw no puff of dust. Also, my vision was momentarily obscured by a foreign black object, which clattered to the ground at the kid’s feet, who dutifully picked it up and said, “you dropped this.”

It turned out to be the black cover/rail off of the fore end that blew off when the jacketed round impacted the last lead round that was still in the barrel.

Blown barrel back at the bench.

After looking down toward the front sight, sans cover, at the gaping hole, I knew we had a problem, Houston. It took about a week to recover from the shock, then I started looking around for replacement barrels and covers, etc.

Blown barrel close-up.

Being in the AR camp, I was stunned at how little there is out there for after-market barrels. Like none, so I shot an email out to Beemiller, requesting a price. They replied back that I should give them a call. I did, and was flabbergasted by their response:

“It’s under warranty, just send it in.”

“But I blew the danged thing up by exercising poor munitions management in firing those rounds.”

“Here’s the address to send it to…”

I did, and a week later my wife called me and said I had a large, heavy package.

“Yeah, what is it?”

“Remember that rifle I blew up?” She was as shocked as I was, but when I got home, I opened it up, and there she was, gooder’n new!

That weekend I went back to the scene of the crime, and ensured I put over 150 rounds through it, and all MY reloads. Ran like a champ, and I was in perma-grin mode.

The weather has gone the way it tends to do the last few months, so not much shooting was done, but I found a pleasant enough weekend, to schlep some shooting irons out to another of my usual haunts, which is a touch more formal, but only a touch. The important things are the measured range lanes, rustic tables with benches, and a roof!

From 50 foot pistol to 700 yards.

Above is a picture of the ranges, with a couple of 50-foot stations for pistol practice, all the way out to the 480 yard buffalo gong, and beyond. I had probably fired another hundred or slightly more rounds since the big break-in with 150-round after barrel replacement, and it never missed a trigger pull. Smoof.

But this was the first time I tried for any measurable accuracy. The center target was adorned with a few targets, some site-ins, and the requisite all black one, designated by the TTAG guidelines. I didn’t like it, nor did my son, Robert, who was spotting for me, but it is what it is. Black holes on a black target are hard on a spotter.

I was also sporting a freshly mounted Browning Buckmark reflex sight, as the irons just weren’t getting it for me. The stock sights are a true PITA to remove, but I figured a HUD style sight would work a little better, as they have worked well on everything else I’ve bolted them on to.

The first 10-round mag on spotting targets seemed fairly well inside the minute-of-badguy realm I was hoping for;

Sight in, 10 rounds.

But this was never meant to be anything remotely approaching a sniper rifle, especially with a pistol caliber cartridge making the 50-yard walk at around 900 fps. So I loaded up five rounds in each of the three magazines and took aim at each of the black targets. Here is the best one:

Could fit under a Quarter. Mile.

Not exactly what I was hoping for, and I really can’t tell if that is three tumblers, two very close, or what, but even with my limited capabilities, this is pretty horrible. Firing the aforementioned Remington, with its comparatively diminutive 5-inch barrel, was able to mark targets similarly. I had hoped it would be a bit tighter grouper than this at a bit further useful range than the 1911 but preliminary accuracy testing is not proving that out.

But I bought it as a match to make a set, and a heavy pinker, (as half my collection is gathering dust with the scarcity of .22LR ammo in the last 2+ years), so it works quite fine for these purposes.

Magazine capacity: 9 rounds.

Stock: All-weather, black molded polymer.

Sights: Adjustable peep sight.

It has definitely taken a step forward in overall aesthetics, compared to the early model carbines, but still has, at least, been introduced to the proverbial ugly-stick.

This is no sharp-shooter, which is kind of a given when lobbing 230 grain hardballs in the straightline ACP case. But, as the longer barrel should build a bit more velocity and spin, I had hoped for better.

The overall balance and feel when firing is pretty natural, but it can bite. Sure, the .45 has a bit of a punch, but the spring-loaded dampening system at the butt end can compress with your cheeky bits in contact. Ai

This is actually a strong point, at least in my dealings. If there is a round in the chamber and the safety is off, it will go boom. If there is a round in the magazine, it will feed. No malfunctions experienced at all when the correct ammo is present.

Anything you can mount on a Pic rail will mount on this, if it is an upper or lower mount. Two levels of lower, and one of upper. As to other third party items like barrels, compensators, or triggers, there are none that I could find.

A full star was achieved through the no-hassle and timely repair work. The fact that it goes bang every single time, was also a huge plus. With this price point, and overall solidity, it is a fine firearm.

387 bucks for a Hi-Point carbine? Didn’t that sh! t used to be free? 🙂

Seriously, you blew the barrel thru your own tomfoolery and they still stood good on the damage. I wonder if there’s another gun company anywhere that would have made good on your boo-boo?

Kudos to Hi-Point for outstanding customer service.

I’d bet Ruger would. They seem to stick by their customers, even when they shouldn’t!

Seems like a good design considering a blocked then subsequently exploded barrel didn’t blast hot gas and metal shards into his face.

My wife blew up my Walther P22. My guess is that it was a bad round, but I sent the remainder of the box to Remington and they couldn’t find anything wrong with it.

The Walther was YEARS out of warranty, and not only did they fix it free of charge, but they also upgraded the slide because they were out-of-stock on the regular one.

For their part, Remington refunded me the cost of sending their ammo in to them, AND the cost of sending the pistol to Walther, and for all my troubles, sent me about 800 rounds of .22LR>

It seems the only industry with any sense of customer service is the gun industry. Now, maybe that’s just because all their customers have guns, and they don’t want to piss anyone off, but I’d guess that it has more to do with how word-of-mouth travels in the shooting community, and the value of brand loyalty.

Nonetheless, good on Hi-Point for replacing it for you. Next time, pay more attention when you reload AND shoot.

I agree with you regarding the industry and the customer service you don’t find anywhere else. I’ve had similar dealings with smith and wesson and daniel defense. Both times the issue was caused by me and my amateur gunsmithing, which I’ve since left to the professionals, but they didn’t care and took good care of me.

I bought a bersa bp9cc secondhand that arrived with a bum trigger safety that they fixed for free for me. Even knowing it was a secondhand purchase.

Yes, a great company!…I too have this .45 caliber carbine!… “Taurus”, too has an Excellent, Repair/Return Policy, as well! Finding this out, when sending back, my Millenium, PT-745, .45 caliber with a 6 shot clip, for repair!… 13 days, from the time i mailed it, this was delivered to me, Repaired, and delivered in “13 days”!… And, Taurus, Warranties their Guns, for life!… Selling the Gun, the Warranty, goes with the Gun!…Who Else, does this?… [No One!…]. No longer, a “Saturday Night”, SPECIAL . After buying the “Berretta Factory”, in Brazil; they now make, Every part for their Guns!… Enabiling, this Incredible “Life Time”, Warranty!…

JWM says; “Seriously, you blew the barrel thru your own tomfoolery and they still stood good on the damage. I wonder if there’s another gun company anywhere that would have made good on your boo-boo?

Actually, I did exactly the same thing with a new Taurus 24/7 .45 a couple of years ago, using gun show reloads. Never again!. The only difference was that the Taurus barrel just bulged and locked the action permanently as far as I could tell. I sent it back to Taurus with the explanation that I was firing rapid fire and heard the squib report but didn’t hold off the next round in time. Also never again. Taurus sent the gun back with a new barrel in a couple of weeks, no charge, and the gun operates as new.

I’m a permanent Taurus customer as a result.

Ruger has stood by me through several idiotic shenanigans.

I own two hi point carbines the 4595 and the 995 for the reason that I have .45 and 9mm pistols….just not hi point ones.

The $387 is MSRP, which is well above what I paid for it.

And yeah, I am still blown away by their turn-around time, and overall CS.

Man how long till people realize that MSRP =/= street price.

I’d take a Hi-Point any day over anything from Taurus.

Hi-Point is ugly as hell but at least they work.

It really annoys me that people bag on Hi-Point so much just because they’re cheap. Sometimes all you need is cheap and reliable, and Hi-Point fills that role well. So it’s ugly, so what? It goes bang, doesn’t it? Add in their apparently stellar customer service and they suddenly become a pretty good option for someone on limited funds.

i think a percentage of the complaints have to do with the firearms in question NOT working.

the carbines seem to have a much better reputation in that regard.

There is just a little too much plastic for my tastes. It is ugly, but very functional.

I like the old Haskell handguns made of metal – but they had their drawbacks as well (weight) and ugly.

Try some lighter weight ammo. The twist rate may not be sufficient to stabilize a 230 grain pill over 50 yards.

That is what I was thinking as well.

not worth matching calibers only. now, matching magazines - that’s something. want a zamak pistol (zinc, alum, magnesium and kupfer)? get one of these.

That’s a good idea, R. O.L., I may have to load up some 185 grainers and give `em a go.

Rate of Twist is 1:7, which, in an AR is good for 62 grainers, heavy for .223, but we’re talking.

about the difference between apples and grapefruits.

1/9 Twist is supposed to be sufficient for 62 gr. 1/7 stabilizes my 75 gr ammo.

The idea of having common chamberings between your handgun and carbine is an Old West tradition and still a good HD idea. BTW, a Pakistani shopkeeper thwarted a robbery about 2008 with his 9mm Hi Point carbine. He could not get a Pistol Permit from Bloomberg’s NYPD so he bought the carbine. The would-be thief all but crapped himself and waited for the cops while getting a Muslim lecture against crime. It was even on all the local news stations for a week and made Cam’s Hero Of The Day on NRA News.

This is actually a strong point, at least in my dealings. If there is a round in the chamber and the safety is off, it will go boom.”

And if there is one in the chamber and one lodged half-way down the barrel, it will go ‘Ka-Boom!’

Glad to hear you and everybody else made it out with all body parts intact.

Also, pleased to hear Hi-Point backs up their products. I’ve never considered myself a Hi-Point fan, but after hearing that, I might pick up a used one ‘cheep’ just as a beater gun.

Oh yeah, All I found was a rock in my stocking.

And it was made of silicon, not carbon.

I wonder if that’s a hint…

Somehow, what popped into my mind was, “I’m a doctor, not a bricklayer.”

Your healer… there’s a patient.

That is terrific customer service.

If you really want a match for your pistol, find a Marlin camp .45. It takes the same mags.

perfecto. now who makes one that uses hi power mags? or deagle?

Had one of those years ago, only in the 9mm (no, there’s no decimal point in front!) It shot “minutes” of angle, all 16 of them, that’s a 16″ or more circle at 100 yards. Had a scope on the gun too.

Ended up selling it, couldn’t live with that kind of accuracy.

At what range were these targets shot?

if you were using home loads were you using a lighter charge as one of the targets seemed to show bullets bullets tumbling!

I have owned a few High points and they were hell for strong, more accurate than some of my hi end firearms because of the pinned barrel. Ugly as sin yes, Heavy but it is a blow back design does it function yes! My 9 has about 800 rounds through it and holds minute of bad guy, problems! when limp wristed, it stove piped, a failure to extract because lack of cleaning! a couple of failures to feed, safety is a little funky, tear down for cleaning is a wee bit complicated to say the least,

50 yards, as per the published requisites.

As to loadings, 6.5 grains of IMR 800-X. They looked like a tumbler or two to me as well,

but with such small loadings, compared to rifle, it’s too easy to overload.

Maybe more range time for break-in is required. I’m up for that!

I have a friend who runs a range. They rent out hi point carbines. After a few years and probably 50,000 rounds in service, his guns were starting to get a bit unreliable.

So he called the company and confirmed he could mail them in for a refurb. After all the rental use, he fully expected to pay for any refurbishment. To that end, he included his contact info with a note to call him for a CC number. To his astonishment, about 10 days after he mailed the carbines out, he received a box from hipoint containing 2 totally refurbished carbines. Pretty much everything except for the slide itself, the barrel and the frame were replaced. All the fire control parts, all the small bits of the bolt, and a bunch of other items had been replaced.

Cost? How about Zero dollars.

Stories like my friends and the author’s are common among hi-point owners. How they manage to offer service that puts many high dollar gun companies to shame, is beyond me. But they do it.

I suspect that Hi-Point (Beemiller Inc.) is a privately owned company. Being such, they don’t have to jack up the costs to satisfy stockholders. This would allow for higher profits and better service. I looked for stock links, but came up flat.

9 rounds is not acceptable. Hi-point needs to be delivering at minimum 30 round mags. 30 rounds of 45acp and I would consider buying.

That said , it does look like customer service and reliability are positive notes for hi-point.

Concordo. With only nine rounds, and accuracy no better than a pistol, what’s the point? You might as well stick with the handgun instead of lugging around all that extra plastic and metal for almost no benefit.

I admit to being greatly amused by the optimism of the “Pro” added to the name of this rifle.

Either you have no idea what you are talking about. Or you have been proficient with a pistol long enough to have forgotten how difficult it is to shoot a handgun effectively when you are new at it. In contrast, a light recoiling carbine with a dot sight is something that even a first time shooter can hit with.

The reality is that a little carbine like the Hi Point may not be any more mechanically accurate than a nice revolver or custom 1911. But its practical accuracy is going to be much greater simply because it is a long gun.

I can shoot my crappy KelTec Sub 2000 better than I can shoot my Brazos limited 2011.

I understand the value of a carbine over a pistol, and I’m a fan of pistol-caliber carbines in general (I love me some lever gun/revolver combos), but this particular rifle doesn’t seem to bring much to the table. The reviewer even commented that he was getting the same groups with his Remington R1 (not exactly a “custom 1911″) as the carbine. Additionally, .45 ACP doesn’t really gain much from being used in a longer barrel – 100-150 fps velocity gain for a 16″ barrel vs. a 5” one (compare that to .357 Magnum, which can gain 400 fps or more in a carbine-length barrel).

For a brand-new shooter, you may have a point about ease of use, but I still don’t see much of a niche for this rifle. “Just barely hitting the target” isn’t going to be much fun for a newbie, and as their skills grow, they’ll quickly outgrow a 10-15 MOA rifle. As for proficiency, it doesn’t take that much work to enable a newbie to get these kind of “barely on paper” groups at 50 yards from a good pistol. It does take a little practice, but it’s not like you have to be Jerry Miculek to put up eight-inch groups at 50 yards.

For home defense, if you’re going to be limited to nine rounds, it seems like a pistol would be a more practical choice. In that case, you’re not likely to be shooting at long distances, and it’s much easier to have a pistol with you when you need it than a rifle (not to mention the practical advantages a pistol has over a long gun when maneuvering indoors).

It might be a fun plinker, and at around $300, I can see the value in that (Lord knows, I’ve spent more than that on impractical “range toys” myself), but as a “serious” gun, I think there are better options.

@Stinkeye; “For home defense, if you’re going to be limited to nine rounds, it seems like a pistol would be a more practical choice. In that case, you’re not likely to be shooting at long distances, and it’s much easier to have a pistol with you when you need it than a rifle (not to mention the practical advantages a pistol has over a long gun when maneuvering indoors). & # 8221;

Stabilizing a pistol with a full on adrenaline dump will be almost impossible if you don’t train under duress. A carbine allows for more points of contact to assist in stabilization. I suspect the magazine limitations may be to cater to the less than fortunate souls in slave states (along with the price point).

Honestly, these firearms should be marketed heavily to those on a fixed or very low income. They make ideal HD weapons for those that cannot afford to buy anything even midrange in the market, and cannot handle the recoil or noise of a shotgun.

Update: Read below that the reason for the lower capacity is: “The Hi-Point carbines were introduced shortly after the US “assault weapons” ban took effect in 1994, hence the 10 (or 9) round magazines that kept them legal.”

I have a 9mm carbine with the pro pack. Yes, the gun has a 10 shot magazine. But it has two more magazines in the stock giving you 31 rounds on board the rifle. My wife cannot handle a shotgun. She is not very good with a pistol. But she can roll a self healing ball across the field up to around 50 yard with the carbine. Hidden in our safe room my wife is very secure with the carbine in hand.

Muito boa revisão. This has been on my radar but probably in 40( the ballistics are fantastic and 40 is cheaper and always available). Even though I had a Hi-Point 380 I couldn’t wait to unload. Also good to hear about the great customer service too. Although I would take a Taurus over a Hi-Point pistol every time. Feliz Natal.

Why in God’s name would you do that? They’re ugly as sin, but a gun that doesn’t go Bang when the trigger is pulled isn’t much use. Hi-Points do that, Tauruses don’t.

Golly gosh gee I have had 5 TAURI that worked flawlessly. Including a used 85. I CAN’t say that for the Hi-Point 380 I had. Merry Christmas anyway!

I have first hand experience with a Taurus J frame knock off revolver that locked up solid after firing its first shot.

We couldn’t even get the crane to release. So we had to bring it to the shop where we purchased it fully loaded. The on-site gunsmith couldn’t get it open at the store. He was eventually able to get it open so it could be sent to taurus for repair. The shop did my friend, the owner, a nice favor by taking the gun back and offering him full credit towards any other gun. My friend purchased a 442 and hasn’t looked back.

I had the earlier (uglier?) 9mm version. Shot great, out to 100yds with a 4x scope, maybe 4-6″. They sent me a scope mount for free even though I wasn’t the original purchaser. Sold it. Miss it. Still looking for an old-style planet of the apes looking version!

“an old-style planet of the apes looking version”

On several forums the H-P original carbines are referred to as “monkey guns” because of the resemblance to the original PotA guns.

BTW, the problem with the H-P .380 pistol is the magazine/feed because they use the same mags as the 9mm. I find that slapping the back of the mag against my hand before inserting it solves most of this. That said, I wouldn’t use one for any serious purpose but it makes a decent step up from a 22 to get folks used to guns.

These are 252,57 with free delivery at GunBuyer. They are the internet part of Florida gun exchange.

I have the same carbine for over two years now. As you stated the iron sights are lousy. I put a Mid priced Tru-Glo red dot on it. I average 4-5 inch groups at 50 yards. The carbine eats anything I’ve fed it. It delivers the same accuracy with all loads , so I don’t have to drain my accounts buying ammo. I now use 230 RN from Black Bullets International over 4.0gr. of Clays and CCI LP primers and it functions flawlessly. I bought it for home defense and it fits the bill.

While I did find removing the rear iron sights somewhat of a challenge. I wouldn’t say it was PITA, just different. I have the 9mm to go with my Hi Point 9mm and .45 acp.

Thats has to be the single ugliest gun known to man. I and I have a reputation for liking ugly guns.

I think I will stick to my CX4.

To me at least ugly seems like kind of a dumb qualifier for a gun. I don’t Buy Guns To be fashion accessories I buy them to fill a role. The hi point is cheap and functional and that’s what I need it to be. Anyone that cares about fashion when talking about guns is a mystery to me.

You know I may actually pick one of these up in 9mm to go with my CZ75. If they can be had for under $300, it’d make for a fun plinker.

I have these carbines in all three calibers and several years ago, grenaded a round in my 40…didn’t burst the barrel, but swelled the receiver/bent up the firing pin and it took two trips back to Hipoint (AKA “mother”) to get it properly fixed (both times fully warrantied). Both trips resulted in a free mag from her for each repair instance and the gun now works fine. I find the iron/plastic open sites are too far off on windage, even with full adjustment, so a 4x Aimpoint scope cures that problem. I’ve learned to accept that hits in an 8″ black are completely acceptable for these guns and while they’re not distance shooters, they’re a lot of fun to plink with and will take about any ammo you want to feed them. The only complaint I have is that they’re a PITA to disassemble & clean, so I put that off till they get pretty grungy. Otherwise, for the money, no complaints. They are what they are….

The Hi-point carbine and pistols use same magazines and pro mag makes bigger mags too, A poor man’s survival gun , or kids first…. guns that can travel in the SUV …think ?

I don’t think the magazines are interchangeable on the 9mm.

9 MM mags now interchange on the new models , no problems …. but watch out for the very early models and maybe the 9MM comp. model (pistol) ,, they are running adds now same mags. pistol and carbine……and yes 380 can be a problem (why 380) more power etc for a 9MM same price ………

My former boss got a .380 for $85 NIB. I wonder if a barrel swap would make it a 9mm?

I love my 995TS. It has been 100% reliable and pretty darn accurate out to 75 yards.

I have been tempted by their carbines but can’t get past the weight. Can’t see over 4.5 to 5 lbs for any pistol caliber carbine. Too much zinc in theirs I guess. Like the concept in a lighter package.

Even a single-shot 12 gauge weighs 5 lbs. CX4 Storm is about 5-1/2. Not sure it gets much lighter than that in long guns.

Well-told story and good accompanying pictures. I’m glad they replaced it for you.

Aaron, thanks for the review.

I really wish you had used factory ammo in your accuracy testing. I’m not questioning your reloading skills, but when you test a gun’s accuracy (and publish the results), you want to eliminate as many variables as possible and conduct your testing in a way that others can replicate it to verify (or refute) your findings.

That said, a pistol caliber carbine begs for customized ammo. What works best in a pistol is not what works best in a carbine, and the +P rated Hi-Points are ideal for a slightly hotter load of slower burning powder to squeeze more velocity out of the barrel. As mentioned, experimenting with different bullet weights would also be worth a shot.

The Hi-Point carbines were introduced shortly after the US “assault weapons” ban took effect in 1994, hence the 10 (or 9) round magazines that kept them legal. Capacity aside, they are darn nice home defense guns: Inexpensive and reliable. They’re also great fun to plink with, use low-cost ammo, and easy for inexperienced shooters to handle.

Those who complain about their aesthetics, magazine capacity or long-range accuracy maybe just don’t understand the market niche that these guns nicely fit into.

Try some lightweight ammo (185 grains instead of 230) to take advantage of the longer barrel.

Also, are there any pistol caliber carbines that take CZ mags? Pistol in question is a CZ SP01.

First off, thanks for all the kind comments, they are very appreciated.

@Tom in OR, I’d LOVE it if Marlin still made the Camp Carbine, shot one once and loved it.

Agora? Fairly rare and spendy. GunBroker shows 1 in 9mm, thaz it.

@Stinkeye, the 1911 is now custom, as I do a little gunsmithing and brought it to Series 70.

so I could replace the trigger to adjust it. Now it is about 2 lbs, no creep, low reset. Adoro.

The wife doesn’t like firing it, at all, but doesn’t mind firing the same rounds through this.

zinc weighted down boat anchor, so there’s that. And my next match is to be a Rossl in.

Stainless with a .357 chambering to match a circa 1923 Smith pre-model 10 that I’ve had.

for a very long time.

Lastly, @ Curtis in IL, the only factory loadings I have currently are jacketed hollow points,

which I feared would tumble even more. I will be sure to use a name brand when I review.

the Bacon Maker, which I hope to win here shortly! 😀

I bought a used 9mm carbine with the nicer aftermarket stock for $150 used. Fun gun.

Were you using lead bullets on those reloads. My 4595 leaded up the barrel with cast bullets accuracy went from very good with FMJ to shotgun with cast.

If you want to add extra utility to your Hipoint, there is an after market magazine catch for 1911 magazines. (only for the 45acp versions)

They work pretty well from what I read.

I bought a 9mm a couple years back. It was always reliable but I decided to trade it. I saw them on black friday for under $250 OTD. I bought it & the new one is just as reliable.

It’s also the only gun my wife will shoot that’s not a .22–go figure. Think I’ll hang on to this one. I think kygunco has them for $238 right now in 9mm.

Interesting, but I’ll not ditch my SKS any time soon.

I bought a 995 TS as a first gun while waiting to decide on a handgun. It cost $250 plus FFL fee new. With the cheapest 9 mm ammo I have no problem with 4″ groups at 50 yards with iron sights, although it did take a while to get it sighted in. My understanding is that 9 mm is flat out to 70 yards or so. I have yet to do the take-apart cleaning, but clean the barrel and chamber after use, so hopefully the innards are not too bad. It does not have my SKS’ range, to be sure, but like the SKS it has very little recoil and will fire the cheapest steel junk. There is no way that I am capable of getting anything close to the Hi Point’s accuracy with a much more expensive 9 mm handgun at greater than 15 yards. So think I will keep them all!

I wanted a cheap HD rifle that I could share cheap ammo with my side-arm. Did some research on the net and up popped this Hi-Point 4595S. Gun show hit town. One booth had 1…and only 1. Bought it. I also bought a 4x backlit scope, hi-capacity clip, and a combo light/laser at the gun show. Went to Hi Point site and ordered some accessories like the dual stock clip-holder, forward folding grip, and the muzzle compensator (Weaver rails everywhere to mount stuff.) Took her to the range and ran a 100-rounds through it. Tightened/adjusted/tested. Ran another 100. Since that time I have put a few thousand rounds through it. Happy to say no problems so far. It’s plenty accurate enough for HD. If you are spending $1000 or more for an AK or AR for HD then that’s just silly to me when the “plane-jane” Hi Point for around $300 will do what any of them do at that range (I added about as much as the gun cost in accessories, but when you are spending $300 vs.$1000 for the gun it hurts a LOT less.) If you plan to shoot enemies at 500-yards…this isn’t the gun. Perfect gun for HD at the asking price. Just my opinion…

The 4595 with red dot, laser, and two extra mags on the stock is my go to home defense and I feel very confident In this weapon for that purpose. So far hundreds of rounds with no problems using a wide variety of ammo. I tend toward round ball ammo as I feel that it will stop any threat at 20-30 yards. I would grab my AR for longer shots, for sure.

Talked to CS lady at Hi Point a few days ago and mentioned the 9 round limit on the carbine and JHP 45 pistol. She said that the company is working on higher capacity mags . . . got up to 17 rounds and ran into trouble. Also indicated that use of pro mag hi capacity mags could void their generous Warrenty. Tom Deeb, former owner of Hi Point (sold out to Strassell’s Machine, Inc. in Jan. of this year) still works with Hi Point as a consultant. I am confident that when they have a reliable high capacity magazine it will be made available to the buying public.

20 round 9mm mag.

Like the carbine, it has the utilitarian charm of the Lunar Excursion Module.

Chewed a dollar bill size chunk out of a paper target with 10+1 rounds offhand bracing the sling. Eats everything, 147gr feels only slightly snappier than 115gr.

Hipsters complain the recoil plate pulls their facial hair.

Accurate, reasonable price, outstanding American service, not a looker. Sounds like a Ford Model T.

I was disappointed by the accuracy of my Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine, it was so bad that trying to hit a target at 100 yards was futile. And that was with a scope. I wasn’t even on the backer most of the time. So I slugged the barrel. Turns out it is closer to .452″ than .451″ so standard 45 ACP bullets are not filling up the grooves. This also answered the question why some 230 grain bullets were much faster than other 230 grain bullets using the same load. I started loading .452″ bullets and the accuracy improved tremendously. The first shot is sometimes dead on, but as the barrel heats up, the point of impact starts drifting down and to the left in a straight line. It’s accurate enough now to be a 100 yard deer rifle…as long as you make sure to hit it on the first three shots…LOL. But mine is not for deer hunting, it’s a home defense carbine, and for that the accuracy is more than sufficient. It actually makes one of the quietest home defense guns you can name. Much quieter than any pistol, shotgun or .223.

I’m insanely curious to know if your findings about the barrel and accuracy hold true for anyone else. I’m considering buying a hi-point in 45, but the lack of accuracy is a real downer.

Obrigado pela informação. Would you be willing to let Hi-Point CS know about what you have discoveres? Like Ian, I am also very curious for the same reason. Obrigado.

I am an FFL. While selling Colts, Smiths, Ruger. Taurus, Springfields, Bersa, Beretta, and many others, Hi Point is the most consistent seller in the shop. For most it’s the price point, but for all it’s the warranty and fun of it! Many return for other Hi-Points. Admittedly the handguns are as ugly and heavy as an anvil, but they are well received and don’t deserve the doggin. Many who do dog them, never fired one.

My local gunshop sells these carbines and he told me one of his customers was using it as a tractor gun. He was bush hogging and it fell off and got chopped up by the bush hog. He sent it in to Hi-point and they gave him another one.

I bought a Hi-Point 995 about a year ago. About 6 months into it-I started having FTE, FTF problems. Called Mr. Brown, sent it in-it came back in 21 days-no charge-It is fantastic-goes Boom every time-and always has been outstanding in accuracy. I didn’t buy it for its looks-I wanted a 9m carbine that worked–only downside is the 10 round magazine-and not Glock compatible but hey-it wasn’t a grand either.

I have a 4595TS, I love it! I added a forward grip and a 3-9×24 illuminated reticle scope to it. I sighted it in at 50 yards with 230gr FMJ. Got a Moa the size of a half dollar. At 100 yards it’s not bad, about a paper plate filed with holes. I use this for my deer rifle in my area that’s a max shot of 60 yards. It’s bad ass. I dropped a big doe this last Sunday at 50 yards. One shot to the vitals dropped her where she stood. Great carbine at an affordable price. It love 230gr FMJ and hollow points. I’m impressed and will keep it for the fun shooting. .

The company owner Beemiller states himself the .45 version is less accurate than the 9 or 40. The 380 just out this year has not had enough side by side comp shooting to determine but I would assume it would be more accurate than the .45 as well but the better of the bunch is most likely the 9mm as it is a known carbine round. Sadly Beemiller is selling the company lets hope the new corporate owner maintains the same customer service standards Hi-Point has established. I have the 995 and it is a tack driver at 100 yards.

Aw, that’s a bummer. I don’t see how their Customer Service can improve, so let’s hope it.

stays the same. I still haven’t picked up the center-fire lever gun mentioned in my article,

so the 9mm version of this venerable carbine may be coming home with me next month.

I gotta keep the matching alive!

I have all the “good” guns, so I am not ignorant or poor and I love my hi point 9mm carbine. I got an ati stock for it and love it even more. When I hear people run them down I figure it is a gun snob or someone who has never fired one.

I have two Hi Points; One 9MM and one 40S&W… Up-graded stocks for both. I love those guns! High Point customer service is second to none.

If you’re debating whether to get one of these, I say “Go for it”! You won’t regret it. Marty.

A Hot New Pistol-Caliber Bullpup Kit for Hi-Point Carbines.

A design rendering of the bullpup conversion kit. (Photo: JTT/HTA)

Correction: High Tower Armory informed us that the projected price for the bullpup kit will only be $199. The kit and a carbine combined are expected to run buyers around $500 in total.

High Tower Armory is working on a bullpup conversion kit for the unlikeliest of pistol-caliber carbines, Hi-Point rifles. The kit shortens the overall length of the gun while giving it a welcome makeover.

Hi-Point carbines are uncomplicated, easy to find and generally inexpensive. They’re popular for shooting at the range and for anyone looking for an affordable carbine for protection. Hi-Point carbines are chambered for 9mm Luger, .40 S&W and .380 and .45 ACP.

These carbines are simple and have a good reputation for reliability and durability. But you don’t have to try hard to find someone to bash them based on looks alone. Not only will this kit add functionality to the base rifle, it gives it a much more sleek and modern appearance.

According to Matt over at Jerking the Trigger, the kit is projected to run around $199.

“It may not be your cup of tea but there is likely a market for this conversion,” said Matt. It could be a solid improvement to a carbine that performs beyond its price point.”

A pistol-caliber bullpup makes a lot of sense for home protection, in addition to being a fun plinker or brush rifle. The shortened length makes it easier to use in tight spaces, which is one of the main reasons to get a bullpup in the first place. But being chambered for pistol cartridges is another advantage as they make much less noise, indoors especially, compared to more powerful rifle cartridges.

Carbines also give shooters the option of using much hotter ammo than they would normally use in a handgun. This bullpup kit bridges the gap between pistol and intermediate-caliber rifle.

With their longer barrels carbines also offer superior ballistics compared to the same rounds fired out of handguns. And with the High Tower Armory kit’s rail for red dot sights and other optics users should expect to see improved accuracy on their part as well.

See Also: Cheap Guns: Hi-Point 45ACP Tactical Carbine–4595TS Review.

In addition to adding a flat-top rail for optics, the conversion kit has a 6-o’clock rail for foregrips and weapon lights.

From these design renderings, it looks like the High Tower Armory kit uses Hi-Point magazines, which isn’t bad. Hi-Point now manufactures magazines with up to 20-round capacities. That’s a little shy compared to other rifles and carbines but it’s great by pistol standards.

High Tower Armory might even feel the urge to get into making their own improved Hi-Point magazines. The company has a good rep for their line of Ruger 10/22 FN-style bullpup conversion kits and extended magazines.

If this kit works well and has even a half-decent trigger it’s likely to make a lot of Hi-Point shooters very happy. And if it looks as good in real life as it does in these drawings then it will probably make brand new Hi-Point owners wig out of even more.

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Are the Hi-point bull pup kits on the market ? It so, where can I buy it ?

Hello and Good Day!

Have you ever had any luck finding the conversion kit? I have written to the manufacturer (propose) yet have not received a reply? The article is over 2 years old now? Would really like to buy own! Makes the Gun look fantastic!

About using Glock mags, the gun would have to use the mags, not the kit. The kit for the .45 should work for the new 10mm as well.

Whoooooo. Good lord. The whole thing ready to shoot (go bang! bang!) is in the $500 buck range.

Bull Pup Conversion $199 or so.

Hi-Point carbine $249.00 to $300.00 depending on where ya find one.

Time for a bit of math $448.00 to $500.00 which is a damn good price for anything that’s reliable and accurate on a man size target (in the boiler room) now it wood be VERY COOL if it wood accept Glock mags but oh well it is what it is.

Now as far as the price of the rifle where im from in N. C i have seen em for as low as $229.98 to as high as $319.99 so thats where my ciphering is coming from.

Hello:) will the bull pup conversion kit fit my hi point m995ts? Obrigado.

This kit is a great idea, also like the thought about adapted extended mags. I have a redball 20rd and it appears that in the design photo HTA would shorten the mag well and make it less functional with my after market mags because the redball mags have a plastic molding in the middle that inserts up to the bottom of the pistol grip making them more stable. I have been considering installing an uzi style buttstock/plate but I think I’ll wait to see this kit when it comes out.

I think $199 is a good price, $300 is more than i paid for the rifle, you’ll sell a ton of these at $199. i’ll buy one immediately and i know a guy who sells Hi Points he will surely recommend these to his customers.

Great idea, with some concerns.. I own the 4595 carbine, and knowing how it functions inside, I am concerned about all the long rods for the trigger, safery and mag release. All that linkage, making it more complicated may as well affect its reliability. And as a “kit”, not too many have the talent or expertise to make the conversion themselves.

What about a large capacity mag for the 995 carbine are their any out there?

Red Ball makes a 20 round clip for the 995ts and it works great. Bought mine months ago and have fired over 200 rounds with no FTFs. It’s also endorsed by Hi Point since it won’t damage the gun the way the Pro Mags do and won’t void Hi Point’s lifetime warranty either.

It really take American ingenuity to make the original monkey gun uglier, but it\’s been done.

God bless America.

I don’t get it either. It looks like they shaved maybe 3 or 4 inches off the stock, but moved the trigger 10 or so inches forward. All bullpups I’ve seen before remove nearly all of the shoulder stock length to make the rifle significantly shorter, but this clearly did not.

If they make them to take glock mags.

They’ll be making a fortune selling all they can make. I’d buy one in 45acp for my wife.

Hey guys great article! Just for everyone’s info - the price on this stock will be $200-300 (hopefully less). The ENTIRE package, rifle and stock will end up costing the shooter about $500. That’s where that price came from. Espero que ajude!

Andy and the team at High Tower Armory, LLC.

Now that seems a whole lot more reasonalble now itd just take glock mags ud sell 1000s of em.

Any idea on release date?

Does anybody have the answer to win the stock may be available? I just got a high point carbine and a longer top rail. But if I’m going to put it in a stock like this there’s no need for me to install the real now.

Any update on availability??

how soon B/4 this hi point stock hits the market? I already need 3.

April or May of this year.

Can i get on a waiting list for purchase . I would love to get one early and test it out . also are the stocks going to fit the .380 , 45 carbines for sure . If so i will definitely buy one . i own all three calibers. Please respond soon . imndrooling over it already .

Think about the money: Kel-Tec sub2000 (9mm, 40); Beretta Storm carbine (9mm, 40); CZ scorpion evo 9mm, Thureon 9mm;

Judge tactical (410, 45). All under the price of this kit plus the gun. On their website they sell the 22 ROGER kit for 300 plus whatever that rifle runs? Just Sayin.

I think you’re missing the whole point here. It’s like people are discussing a VW GTI and your comparing Ford f-150’s. This is a bullpup, not even comparable to any rifle you listed besides that they’re rifles that shoot handgun calibers.

Why not go with the modern replicas of the WW2 era .30 cal M1 Carbine instead? Available with the paratrooper style folding wire / pistol grip stock if you really want a compact intermediate power rifle that is good to 200 yards. With the far improved Hornady expanding FTX ammo it is far better than with FMJ ammo. It has twice the muzzle energy of the pistol caliber carbines, and fires fairly cheap FMJ ammo for target practice. Mine has a combo weapon light / bright green laser mounted under the barrel for quick / poor light condition shooting, and a 4X Mildot scope sight on top for accurate shooting. With proper magazines a very deadly lightweight rifle that is a joy to shoot.

The .30 carbine is great, had a few love them. However, a carbine in the same round as your carry pistol is a fantastic combo. Not many people carry a hand gun in .30 carbine.

Ruger did.. Had one, reloaded myself and used it for deerhunting. Ótimo combo!

Don’t know if Ruger still makes the 30 carbine model.

hoje. Now I have the 995ts.

Because the Chiappa M1 Carbine replicas that shoot 9mm are complete crap every review I have read….bummer actually as I wanted one…oh well my 4095 is great.

The “Jerking the Trigger” article says “High Tower Armory hasn’t released pricing yet but they have stated that this conversion and the carbine itself could be put together for around $500.”

Now, this article says “According to Matt over at Jerking the Trigger, the kit is projected to run around $500”. Two different things, and I don’t blame people for being confused. To me, a “kit” is something you add TO a firearm, not the assembled firearm and the add-on.

Ok so apparently some can’t read as it states the cost is INCLUDING the Hi-Point rifle itself. I will buy two, one in 9mm one if .45 especially if it comes with the ability to add any AR trigger we want. I’d love to drop in my FOSTECH Echo Trigger and make this a cheap range / home defense gun that my wife and daughters can handle accurately with automatic firing power. AR’s, +P .45acp pistol and shotguns are simply too much for them to handle (small women).

If they ever get around to accepting high cap mags I’m in. If they would accept Glock mags I’m in. Make a 10mm I’m in.

Me too glock or colt mags and a 10mm option this thing would be sick.

Can’t you people do simple math! Total price is $500 minus $300 carbine = $200! And that’s a good price for a bull pup conversion stock anytime!

wait, the gun (meaning action, barrel, etc.) come with this “conversion kit”? where did you hear that? why would they call it a conversion kit if it comes with the gun itself?

conversion kite are for people who already have the gun, and want to change the appearance/function of the gun (like ruger 10/22 kits, Remington 700 kits/chassis, etc.) where you just take the internals from your own gun and put them in the new receiver.

and if this price was for a full gun, why wouldn’t they include the price of the conversion kits only for people who already own a hi-point carbine? why would they be marketing this towards people who already own hi-point carbines?

No if you already own any of the high point call. 380,9mm,40,or 45 4095 models you already have. Then you can purchase the bull pup stock conversion for around $199. The cost of carbine you’ve already bought is around $300. 300+200=($500)

,a href=”jerkingthetrigger/2016/10/18/high-tower-armory-bullpup-conversion-for-the/”> The “Jerking the Trigger” article says “High Tower Armory hasn’t released pricing yet but they have stated that this conversion and the carbine itself could be put together for around $500.”

Now, this article says “According to Matt over at Jerking the Trigger, the kit is projected to run around $500”. Two different things, and I don’t blame people for being confused. To me, a “kit” is something you add TO a firearm, not the assembled firearm and the add-on.

This is just the price for the conversion kit…then add the price of the carbine and you’re well over $800-900. You have to buy both..it doesn’t come ready to shoot!

No the people that make the kit posted in here and say total gun and kit 500 so 300 gun 200 kit and maybe less.

“Tacti-.cool” will sell. I could sell these in my shop.

To spend $500.00 more on a conversion kit for a high point, I would rather invest that money on a GLOCK, S&W, CANICK-TP9, SIG, CZ-75 or any other good quality gun on the market, if you check the amount that you will pay for buy a new carbine between $300 to $400 new on any web side and used on any pawn shop is going to be minimum $280 and you add $500 more for a conversion kit you already turn it into a $700 dollars gun.

I have never considered a Hi-Point anything before I read this article. For $500 ☆☆☆CARBINE INCLUDED (re-read the article)☆☆☆ I would consider it in .45ACP, threaded barrel, naturally. I think that it could be a good deal of fun!

The only reason I don’t have one is the fact they only take 10 round mags. I’ll second the glock magazine suggestion. They would sell off the chart if they made that happen.

If it’s priced at 500 they won’t sell very many. If prices at 300 they will sell some, tons of the trigger is good. 200 and they will sell a lot (even if the trigger is iffy).

The article actually states that the cost of the conversion would be about $500 – INCLUDING the cost of the Hi-Point carbine (around $300).

What a great idea. A $500 stock for a $300 rifle. And now the trigger is even worse than before. Im sure they will sell like hotcakes.

Yes it does seem like a good idea, but as usual the execution is flawed. US $ 500? Come on, few are going to cough up the cash. Hi points sell because they are cheap, with this stock, your in the same price range as a Beretta Storm. A weapon that takes a double stack mag.

No. You didn’t follow the “Jerking the Trigger” link which states:

“High Tower Armory hasn’t released pricing yet but they have stated that this conversion and the carbine itself could be put together for around $500. & # 8221;

So that would put the price of the kit right around the same price as their current 10/22 conversion kits; $270/

So, take a $300 gun and turn it into a $800 gun. Somewhere there is a purpose being defeated here. I think I would rather buy an $800 gun with some off the shelf accessory options. They may be too proud of this stock kit by far. Why buy a Ford Focus and put a Lincoln body on it.

“On some glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their harts desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H. L. Mencken Journalist.

…..I would think anyone interested (as I am) would “…..buy a Ford Focus and put a Lincoln body on it…..” because “We” just want to have .380!? I also think you missed “The Point”

…..This article is over 2 years old and “we” still can not find a “Rifle/Bull Pup” manufactured from the get go in .380 (excepting Hi-Point)…..that does not mean the “want” doesn’t exist.

…..Better if you would “refer” everyone here that wants a Bull Pup/Rifle in .380 to the manufacturer that makes one? Or to a company that makes the conversion to do so instead of “ridicule”

Good idea, crazy price. CRAZY price. Sell it for $150 MAX and you would likely have a winner, assuming it works ok.

I have had a Hi-Point 9mm carbine wrapped in the ATI stock (very similar to the Beretta Storm in appearance) for about 7 years now. I have shot everything from 115gn+P to sub-sonic 147gn and 165gn, both open and suppressed. I have only had a handful of stove pipes (likely my fault, as some days it will get 500+ rounds suppressed without cleaning) and have put thousands of rounds through it. I am in no way a Hi-point fan, but I have been impressed with the simplicity of this little carbine. You knock off the goofy looking stock and set it up right, and it really will preform. If these kits come out as rendered, ill probably end up with a second one…

If they make it to take Glock mags, it will be a WINNER!

A beautiful piece. What is the cost and where to buy.?

Firstly, a 9mm carbine is quieter than a 223 or 12 gauge, but with your face that close to the muzzle I don’t think it matters. And secondly, I’m concerned about the trigger. It’s already crap and bullpups have notoriously garbage triggers.